Old Mistress had a good cookin stove, but most Cherokees had only a big fireplace and pot hooks. And we had corn bread and cakes baked every day. He went to the war for three years wid the Union soldiers. Couldn't nobody go there, less they turn the key. My names' Lucinda Vann, I've been married twice but that don't make no difference. She was raised up at dat mill, but she was borned in Tennessee before dey come out to de nation. We git three or four crops of different things out of dat farm every ear, and something growing on dat place winter and summer. Den old Master get three wagons and ox teams and take us all way down on Red River in de Choctaw Nation. McLoughlin, William, Cherokee Renascence in the New Republic, Princeton University Press, (1986), ISBN 0691047413. Marster and missus never allowed chillun to meddle in the big folks business. Everybody had a good time. Cal Robertson was eighty-nine years old when I married him forty years age, right on this porch. When we wanted to go anywhere we always got a horse, we never walked. Dat just about lasted em through until dey died, I reckon. Young Joseph was his father's favorite child and primary recipient of his father's estate and wealth. Lots of soldiers around all the time though. His death date is unknown - did NOT die in a steamboat explosion (that happened in 1844 to a different Joe Vann), did NOT die in 1809 (that was his son); was dead by 1800 when Clement Vann is reported by Moravians as husband of Wah li by by Young Master never whip his slaves, but if they dont mind good he sell them off sometimes. Dey was for bad winter only. My mammy was a Cherokee slave, and talked it good. The last one was named for Hubbard Ross; he was related to Chief John Ross and was some kin to Daniel Nave, my father's master. I'se born across the river in the plantation of old Jim Vann in Webbers Falls. She dye with copperas and walnut and wild indigo and things like dat and made pretty cloth. I couldnt buy anything in slavery time, so I jest give the piece of money to the Vann children. The 1860 Census records for Oklahoma (the last Census of the slavery era), indicates that the Cherokees held 4,600 Negro slaves; the Chickasaws owned 975; the Choctaws owned, 2,344; the Creeks held 1,532; and the Seminoles reportedly owned 500. We put all the bed clothes on its back. The grandparents were Joseph Vann, a Scottish trader who came from the Province of South Carolina, and Cherokee Mary Christiana (Wah-Li or Wa-wli Vann). My other sisters was Polly, Ruth and Liddie. My mother, grandmother, aunt Maria and cousin Clara, all worked in the big house. The cooks would bring big iron pots, and cook things right there. He died when the boat's boilers exploded. I had a brother named Harry who belonged to the Vann family at Tahlequah. John Joseph Vann: The Chowan Indians _ Native Heritage Project (PDF) John Washington Vann . James Vann had several other wives and children. Mammy say they was lots of excitement on old Master's place and all the negroes mighty scared, but he didn't sell my pappy off. We had bonnets that had long silk tassels for ties. They got over in the Creak country and stood off the Cherokee officers that went to git them, but pretty soon they give up and come home. When he get home he call my uncle and ask about what we done all day and tell him what we better do de next day. She done his washing and knew the cuff of his sleeve. Coming out of the army for the last time, Pappa took all the family and moved to Fort Scott, Kansas, but I guess he feel more at home wid the Indians for pretty soon we all move back, this time to a farm near Fort Gibson. Sometime Young Master Joe and the other boys give me a piece of money and say I worked for it, and I reckon I did for I have to cook five or six times a day. In 1840 the town of Harrison was developed on an adjoining property, and the county seat of Hamilton County was moved south to the Tennessee River to this location. Mammy say they was lots of excitement on old Masters place and all the Negroes mighty scared, but he didnt sell my pappy off. We was too tired when we come in to play any games. Sometimes I eat my bread this morning none this evening. In the summer I wear them on Sunday, too. Joseph Vann, the son of Chief James Vann and his wife Margaret Scott Vann, was a lad of 12 when his father was killed, in 1809. Of course I hear about Abraham Lincoln and he was a great man, but I was told mostly by my children when dey come home from school about him. He had black eyes and mustache but his hair was iron gray, and everybody like him because he was so good natured and kind. Some officers stayed in de house for a while and tore everything up or took it off. After the war I married Paul Alexander, but I never took his name. They taken some of their slaves with them. Then we all have big dinner, white folks in the big house, colored folks in their cabins. Used to go up and down the river in his steamboat. He didn't tell us children much about the War, except he said one time that he was in the Battle of Honey Springs in 1863 down near Elk Creek south of Fort Gibson. but it sunk and him and old Master died. He sold one of my brothers and one sister because they kept running off. Everbody goin' on races gamblin', drinkin', eatin', dancin', but it as all behavior everything all right. He courted a girl named Sally. We stayed here till everything got fixed up, then we went back to Mexico. He was accidentally killed in the explosion of one of his boats, the "Lucy Walker" which was blown up near Louisville, Kentucky on October 26, 1844. The slave cabins was in a row, and we lived in one of them. We told him bout de Pins coming for him and he just laughed. Nearly a century later (in 1932), Joseph Vann's grandson, R. P. Vann, told author Grant Foreman that Joseph Vann had built a house about a mile south of Webbers Falls (Oklahoma) "a handsome homebuilt just like the old Joe Vann home in Georgia." De brothers was Sam and Eli. Pappys name was Kalet Vann, and mammys name was Sally. One and a half years after the war we all come back to the old plantation. Our clothes was home-made---cotton in the summer, mostly just a long-tailed shirt and no shoes, and wood goods in the winter. http://www.timcdfw.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I7805&tree= Joseph Vann removed to the West in 1836. Christmas morning marster and missus come out on the porch and all the colored folks gather around. When father was young he would go hunting the fox with his master, and fishing in the streams for the big fish. I would stay around about a week and help em and dey would try to git me to take something but I never would. After the explosion someone found an arm up in a tree on the bank of the river. My pappy run away one time, four or five years before I was born, mammy tell me, and at that time a whole lot of Cherokee slaves run off at once. I go to this house, you come to my house. In the master's yard was the slave cabin, one room long, dirt floor, no windows. Yes, my dear Lord yes. Old Master Joe was a big man in the Cherokees, I hear, and was good to his Negroes before I was born. Some of the Masters family was always going down to the river and back, and every time they come in I have to fix something to eat. We didn't suffer, we had plenty to eat. I had a silver dine on it, too, for a long time, but I took it off and got me a box of snuff. She turned the key to the commissary too. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. Georgia known as The Chief Vann House In 1819, WA-WLI baptized by the Morav. Two year old when my mamma died so I remember nothing of her, and most of my sisters and brothers dead too. There was Mr. Jim Collins, and Mr. Bell, and Mr. Dave Franklin, and Mr. Jim Sutton and Mr. Blackburn that lived around close to us and dey all had slaves. Johnson Thompson's father had been owned by "Rich Joe" Vann. I don't know how old I is; some folks ay I'se ninety-two and some say I must be a hundred. Joseph H. Vann, (11 February 1798 - 23 October 1844). One time we sold one hundred hogs on the foot. I remember Chief John Ross. When they gave a party in the big house, everything was fine. I'se proud anyway of my Vann name. If someone they didn't want to have it try to dig it up, money sink down, down deep in the ground where they couldn't get it. Everybody cry, everybody'd pretty nearly die. Mother Martha Price McNair (Vann) Father David Lewis "Jesse" "Cherokee Chief""Iron Head" Vann (Killed by Pin Indians in Civil War) Quick access. I dont know about Robert Lee, but I know about Lees Creek. Oh the news traveled up and down the river. In reply to: genealogy of Chief James. Some 3,500 interviews were conducted. I never would hear much about the war that my father was in, but I know he fought for the North. He born at Spring Place, Georgia on February 11, 1798. Chief Joseph did not live to see again the land he'd known as a child and young warrior. It was "Don't Call the Roll, Jesus Because I'm Coming Home." After being evicted from his father's mansion home "Diamond Hill" in 1834, Joseph moved his large family (he had two wives) and business operations to Tennessee, where he established a large plantation on the Tennessee River near the mouth of Ooltewah Creek that became the center of a settlement called Vann's Town (later the site of Harrison, Tennessee). All my children was from the first marriage: Thomas, Dora, Charley, Marie, Opal, William, Arthur, Margaret, Thadral and Hubbard. They get something they need too. I don't know what dey done it for, only to be mean, and I guess they was drunk. At least twenty-five of Vann's slaves participated in the Cherokee slave revolt of 1842. The cooks would bake hams, turkey cakes and pies and there'd be lots to eat and lots of whiskey for the men folks. Snow on the ground and the water was muddy and all full of pieces of ice. I dont know, but that was before my time. There was big parties and dances. Everybody pretty near to crazy when they bring that arm home. My mother was seamstress. He died on September 21, 1904, and was buried in the Colville Indian Cemetery on the Colville Reservation. Before he was killed, James Vann was a powerful chief in the Cherokee Nation and wanted Joseph to inherit the wealth that he had built instead of his wives, but Cherokee law stipulated that the home go to his wife, Peggy, while his possessions and property were to be divided among his children. A few years of her life were also quite possibly spent among Seminoles during part of that time, although her memory of the death of Joseph "Rich Joe" Vann is clearly a part of Cherokee history. Morris Sheppard was owned by a Cherokee named Joe Sheppard. The command of the Army was shared by Doublehead and Watts. Cherokee VANN Family. In the morning we got up early, made a fire, and made a big pot of coffee. The white folks go first and after they come out, the colored folks go in. Some had been in a big run-away and had been brung back, and wasnt so good, so he keep them on the boat all the time mostly. Joseph H. Vann was born at Spring Place, Georgia on February 11, 1798. All Indians lived around there, the real colored settlement was four mile from us, and I wasn't scared of them Indians for pappa always told me his master Henry Nave, was his own father; that make me part Indian and the reason my hair is long, straight and black like a horse mane. He passed awayon 21 Feb 1809in Northern Georgia, Buffington's Tavern, Spring Place. My uncle belong to old Captain Joe nearly all his life. However, the following narrative by the ex-slave, Cornelius Neely Nave, contains correct family relationships. Lots of bad things have come to me, but the good Father, high up, He take care of me. A doctor put it in alcohol and they kept it a long time. Marster Jim and Missus Jennie wouldn't let his house slaves go with no common dress out. They rendezvoused with other slaves who had agreed to participate in the revolt, stole horses to ride to their freedom, then broke into a store to steal guns, ammunition, food, and supplies they needed for their planned escape to Mexicowhere slavery was illegal. I'm gonna give Lucy this black mare. "We'd say "Come on buffalo", and it would come to us. Black Hock was awful attached to the kitchen. Lord yes su-er. Joe had two wives, one was named Missus Jennie. De hog killing mean we gots lots of spare-ribs and chitlings and somebody always git sick eating to much of dat fresh pork. Missus Jenni lived in a big house in Webbers Fall.s Don't know where the other one lived. He come from across the water when he was a little boy, and was grown when old Master Joseph Vann bought him, so he never did learn to talk much Cherokee. He had to work on the boat, though, and never got to come home but once in a long . Everybody had a good time on old Jim Vann's plantation. Every dollar she make on the track, I give it to Lucy." Mr. Reese had a big flock of peafowls dat had belonged to Mr. Scott and I had to take care of demWhitefolks. Their slaves also helped build the nearby Moravian mission and school in Spring Place. It's on records somewhere; old Seneca Chism and his family. Then we all have big dinner, white folks in the big house, colored folks in their cabins. Lord have mercy on us, yes. But we couldnt learn to read or have a book, and the Cherokee folks was afraid to tell us about the letters and figgers because they have a law you go to jail and a big fine if you show a slave about the letters. During their pursuit of the escaped Negroes, the Cherokee Militia discovered the bodies of the two slave bounty hunters. Some of the Indian families was Joe Dirt Eater, Six Killer (some of the Six Killers live a few miles SE of Afton at this time, 1938), Chewey Noi, and Gus Buffington. Sometimes Joe bring other wife to visit Missus Jennie. Correction Note: The preceding comments by the interviewer incorrectly depicts the relationship between the family members. Dey was all wid the south, but dey was a lot of dem Pin Indians all up on de Illinois River and dey was wid de North and dey taken it out on de slave owners a lot before de War and during it too. There was five hundred slaves on that plantation and nobody ever lacked for nothing. I don't remember old Mistress name. Numerous others had previously gone to Oklahoma when their masters voluntarily relocated. They make pens out in the shallow water with poles every little ways from the river banks. After the old time rich folks die, them that had their money buried, they com back and haunt the places where it is. One day young Master come to the cabins and say we all free and cant' stay there lessn we want to go on working for him just like we'd been for our feed, an clothes. Rende is a comune (municipality) in the province of Cosenza, Calabria, Italy, home to the headquarters of the University of Calabria.It has a population of about 35,000, or more than 60,000 if the university students living there are taken into account. Didn't you never see one of them slidin' beds? They brought it home and my granmother knew it was Joe's. A few days later they caught up with the slaves, still in Indian Territory. Run it to the bank!" The most terrible thing that ever happen was when the Lucy Walker busted and Joe got blew up. Old Master Joe had a big steam boat he called the Lucy Walker, and he run it up and down the Arkansas and the Mississippi and the Ohio river, old Mistress say. Although Lucinda Vann was owned by Jim Vann, she told about the death of "Rich Joe" Vann and the recovery of one of his arms, following the deadly explosion on his steamboat, the Lucy Walker. Then I had clean ward clothes and I had to keep them clean, too! All the slaves lived in a log house. The low class work in the fields. There wasn't nothing left. We patted her grave and kissed the ground telling her goodbye. That sure was a tough time for the soldiers, for father said they fought and fought before the "Seesesh" soldiers finally took off to the south and the northern troops went back to Fort Gibson. Marster never whipped no one. I had on my old clothes for the wedding, and I aint had any good clothes since I was a little slave girl. My mother died when I'se small and my father married Delia Vann. He passed away on 21 Feb 1809 in Shot at Buffington Tavern, GA, USA. By and by I married Nancy Holdebrand what lived on Greenleaf Creek, bout four miles northwest of Gore. I got my allotment as a Cherokee Freedman, and so did Cal, but we lived here at this place because we was too old to work the land ourselves. Lord yes, su-er. The fugitive slaves killed the two bounty hunters and the slaves they had been returning joined those attempting to reach Mexico. They'd clap their hands and holler. He had run off after he was sold and joined de North army and discharged at Fort Scoot in Kansas, and he said lots of freedmen was living close to each other up by Coffeyville in the Coo-ee-scoo-wee District. James was a prominent chief in the Cherokee Nation. He done already sold 'em to a man and it was dat man was waiting for de trader. Perhaps because they had observed the prosperity so often achieved by slave-holding whites, Indians of mixed-blood were more apt to own slaves. He would tell em plain before hand, "Now no trouble." I remember when the steamboats went up and down the river. Dey come to de house one time when he was gone to Fort Smith and us children told dem he was at Honey Springs, but they knowed better and when he got home he said somebody shot at him and bushwhacked him all the way from Wilson's Rock to dem Wildhorse Mountains, but he run his horse like de devil was sitting on his tail and dey never did hit him. When we git to Fort Gibson they was a lot of Negroes there, and they had a camp meeting and I was baptised. Marster had a little race horse called "Black Hock" She was all jet black, excepting three white feet and her stump of a tail. Pappy is buried in the church yard on Four Mile Branch. That house was on the place my papa said he bought from Billy Jones in 1895. I lost my land trying to live honest and pay my debts. Everybody was happy. Don't know much about him. I would have to go tromp seven miles to Mr. Scott's house two or three times a week to bring back some old peafowl dat had got out and gone back to de old place! We had seven horses and a litle buffalo we'd raised from when its little. After we got our presents we go way anywhere and visit colored folks on other plantation. Had sacks and sacks of money. Everything was fine, Lord have mercy on me, yes. Up at five o'clock and back in sometimes about de middle of de evening long before sundown, unless they was a crop to git in before it rain or something like dat. He was a Cherokee leader who owned Diamond Hill (now known as the Chief Vann House), many slaves, taverns, and steamboats that he operated on the Arkansas, Mississippi, Ohio, and Tennessee Rivers. The colored folks did most of the fiddlin'. Any information would be valuable. I had one brother and one sister sold when I was little and I dont remember the names. I been a good Christian ever since I was baptised, but I keep a little charm here on my neck anyways, to keep me from having the nose bleed. Wife belong to de church and all de children too, and I think all should look after saving their souls so as to drive de nail in, and den go about de earth spreading kindness and hoeing de row clean so as to clinch dat nail and make dem safe for Glory. John Trader U Wa Ni Vann family tree Parents It made my Master mad, but dey didn't belong to him no more and he couldn't say nothing. She was weavin when the case came up so quick, missus Jennie put her in her own bed and took care of her. Women came in satin dresses, all dressd up, big combs in their hair, lots of rings and bracelets. He went clean to Louisville, Kentucky and back. He'd take us and enjoy us, you know. Original newspaper article says captain/owner of the steamboat was David Vann. They was Cherokee Indians. At night dem trundles was jest all over the floor, and in de morning we shoved em back under de big beds to git dem outn' de way. Below New Albany, the vessel blew up when one or more boilers blew up, killing the majority of the passengers and among them the owner and captain. I dunno her other name. When the last of the Cherokees were forcibly moved west in 1838, government records indicate that 1,592 black slaves were moved to Indian Territory with their owners. When I left Mrs. McGee's I worked about three years for Mr. Sterling Scott and Mr. Roddy Reese. Of course, all slaves were officially freed during the Civil War. Old Master tell me I was borned in November 1852, at de old home place about five miles east of Webbers Falls, mebbe kind of northeast, not far from de east bank of de Illinois River. There was a bugler and someone callled the dances. Those included in this collection all mention the Vanns. I went to the missionary Baptist church where Marster and Missus went. It was tied up at de dock at Webbers Falls about a week and we went down and talked to my aunt an brothers and sister. In one month you have to get back. Interestingly, Mrs. Vann also speaks of some time that her family spent before and during the war in Mexico. Had to sign up all over again and tell who we was. The separation ended at a reunification council with the Cherokee Nation in 1809. Her master was white, but he had married into de Nation and so she got a freedmen's allotment too. We all come back to de old place and find de negro cabins and barns burned down and de fences all gone and de field in crab grass and cockleburs. He worked in the gold mines. Born in Spring Place, Murray, Georgia, United States on 11 Feb 1765 to John Joseph 'Indian Trader' Cherokee Vann and WahLi Wa-Wli aka Polly Otterlifter Mary Christiana Otterlifter Wolf Clan. 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